Legislature(2015 - 2016)CAPITOL 106

03/29/2016 03:00 PM House HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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*+ HB 200 ADOPTION OF CHILD IN STATE CUSTODY TELECONFERENCED
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           HB 200-ADOPTION OF CHILD IN STATE CUSTODY                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:04:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 200, "An  Act establishing procedures related to a                                                               
petition  for adoption  of a  child  in state  custody; adding  a                                                               
definition of 'proxy for a  formal petition'; amending Rule 6(a),                                                               
Alaska Adoption Rules; and providing for an effective date."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:05:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VAZQUEZ moved  to  adopt  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)   for  HB  200,  labeled   29-GH1262\W,  Glover,                                                               
3/24/16, as the working draft.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON objected for discussion.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:06:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTY LAWTON,  Director, Central  Office, Office  of Children's                                                               
Services,  Department of  Health and  Social Services,  said that                                                               
proposed HB  200 offered "something  for everybody and has  a lot                                                               
of  positive attributes  that will  really  improve services  and                                                               
access for  child in need of  aid (CINA) matters.   She described                                                               
the  legal background  for an  adoption case,  listing a  Supreme                                                               
Court  case in  Alaska, Native  Village  of Tununak  v. State  of                                                             
Alaska,  Department  of Health  and  Social  Services, Office  of                                                             
Children's  Services, and  H.S. and  K.S., case  number 334  P.3d                                                               
165,  as well  as the  U.S. Supreme  Court case,  133 S.Ct  2552,                                                               
Adoptive Couple v.  Baby Girl, in South Carolina.   She explained                                                             
that  the U.S.  Supreme  Court  case had  been  settled prior  to                                                               
settlement of  the Alaska case,  and it  stated, in sum,  that in                                                               
order  to be  considered for  adoption of  the child,  there must                                                               
first be filed a formal petition  to adopt the child.  The Alaska                                                               
Supreme Court  had then taken its  lead from the decision  by the                                                               
U.S.  Supreme  Court.   She  relayed  that  in the  Alaska  case,                                                               
although the foster family had  filed a formal petition to adopt,                                                               
the grandmother  had not filed, even  though at that time  it was                                                               
not  a requirement  to  be  considered.   She  reported that  the                                                               
Alaska  agencies, along  with the  governor's office,  the Alaska                                                               
Federation of  Natives, and other  tribal entities  came together                                                               
to seek  a solution reconciling  the U.S. Supreme  Court decision                                                               
and the federal law recognized  since 1978 under the Indian Child                                                               
Welfare  Act  (ICWA).   She  explained  that this  law  specified                                                               
placement preferences when  children were going to  be adopted or                                                               
placed.   She added that  non-native children also  had placement                                                               
preferences  that needed  to  be followed.    Under ICWA,  native                                                               
child placement  preferences were  extended to tribal  members of                                                               
the  child or  the parent.   She  explained that,  as the  formal                                                               
application for adoption could be  a very bureaucratic process to                                                               
formally  recognize  consideration,  it   was  now  suggested  to                                                               
instead  use  a  proxy  for  adoption,  in  lieu  of  the  formal                                                               
petition.   She said that  the proxy could be  submitted "orally,                                                               
in writing, via fax,  in a meeting, in a hearing,  in a number of                                                               
different ways  where they basically  just state their  intent to                                                               
be considered  for the immediate  and permanent placement  of the                                                               
child."  She pointed out that  this would not negate the eventual                                                               
requirement to file  a formal petition to adopt, as  it was still                                                               
necessary to provide this documentation  to the court.  The proxy                                                               
would preserve and  protect the intention for  recognition by the                                                               
ICWA preferences,  and would subsequently initiate  the policy of                                                               
evaluation for  appropriateness of placement.   This report would                                                               
then  be filed  with  the  courts for  consideration  by all  the                                                               
parties.  She further explained  that the adoption hearings would                                                               
be conjoined  with the CINA case.   She stated that  the proposed                                                               
bill  provided  for  a  mechanism   to  streamline  a  number  of                                                               
different legal decisions that could  impact a child in the state                                                               
child  welfare   system.    She  pointed   out  that,  currently,                                                               
adoption, guardianship,  and civil  custody matters  all happened                                                               
in  different   courts,  often  with  different   judges  and  at                                                               
different times, which often created  redundancies and delays for                                                               
the involved parties  in the quest for permanency  for the child.                                                               
She stated that the proposed bill  would provide a one judge, one                                                               
child,  one family  model, such  that all  the hearings  would be                                                               
conjoined under a CINA hearing,  thereby allowing the judge to be                                                               
most  informed  and best  equipped  to  provide a  good  judicial                                                               
determination.   She offered  her belief  that this  would create                                                               
significant efficiencies for all  the involved parties, and would                                                               
expedite children to permanency.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:13:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON paraphrased  the changes from Version A  to Version W,                                                               
Detailed  Sectional  Analysis,  [included in  members'  packets],                                                               
which read:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section   1:      adds  to   the   legislative   intent                                                                    
     "guardianship  and civil  custody matters"  in addition                                                                    
     to adoptions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2:    adds  language to  allow  petitioners  n                                                                    
     adoption matters  to have the  matter finalized  in the                                                                    
     judicial district in  which they reside if  no party in                                                                    
     child in need-of-aid case objects.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3:  adds reference to AS 13.20.050(b).                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section  4:   adds  language  to  allow petitioners  in                                                                    
     adoption matters  to have the  matter finalized  in the                                                                    
     judicial district in  which they reside if  no party in                                                                    
     child in need-of-aid case objects.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section  5:    changed   "must"  to  "shall"  and  adds                                                                    
     reference to AS 25.23.030(d).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:15:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON  moved on  and stated  that there  were no  changes to                                                               
Section  6, and  paraphrased  the  changes to  Section  7 in  the                                                               
sectional analysis, which read:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7:  This section  now includes that in addition                                                                    
     to guardianship  and adoption cases needed  to be heard                                                                    
     within the  child-in-need-of-aid matter, so  too, shall                                                                    
     civil  custody  matters  where there  is  action  which                                                                    
     involves   divorce   or   legal   separation   proceeds                                                                    
     regarding a child in state's custody.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:15:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON continued and advised there were no changes to                                                                       
Section 8, and paraphrased the changes to Section 9 in the                                                                      
sectional analysis, which read:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section  9:   adds  reference  to  three newly  created                                                                    
     sections AS  47.10.111/112/113.  AS  47.10.111 provides                                                                    
     further clarity  about what happens when  a petition is                                                                    
     filed,  how  it will  be  held  in abeyance  until  the                                                                    
     permanent plan  is reviewed by  the court.   It further                                                                    
     establishes timeframes  the department  must meet.   It                                                                    
     further adds  clarity about party status  and who would                                                                    
     be considered a party or not.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AS 47.10.112  provides the  clarity and  language about                                                                    
     the  use of  a "proxy"  and describes  how the  "proxy"                                                                    
     seeks  to preserve  the placement  preferences outlined                                                                    
     under the  Indian Child Welfare Act  for those children                                                                    
     where  the  Act  applies.    It  also  further  defines                                                                    
     extended family member within the  meaning of ICWA, and                                                                    
     that  a  biological   parent  individually  or  through                                                                    
     counsel  may  also  request  a   "proxy"  made  to  the                                                                    
     department  on behalf  of  an  extended family  member,                                                                    
     member  of the  Indian child's  Tribe, or  other Indian                                                                    
     family member.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON requested clarification that Section 9 created the                                                                 
proxy system.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON continued paraphrasing the changes from Version A to                                                                 
Version W of the proposed bill, which read:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10:   clarifies  that the definition  of "adult                                                                    
     family  member"  is  in  statute,  and  adds  the  ICWA                                                                    
     language for extended family member.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 11:   clarifies  that the definition  of "adult                                                                    
     family  member"  is  in  statute,  and  adds  the  ICWA                                                                    
     language for extended family member.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:17:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section  12:   added  new  paragraphs  to more  clearly                                                                    
     define "Indian child" and "Indian child's Tribe".                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 13:   adds further detail to  the definition of                                                                    
     "family  friend" that  now includes  members of  Indian                                                                    
     child's  Tribe, a  member  of the  Tribe  in which  the                                                                    
     child's  biological  parent  is  a  member  or  another                                                                    
     Indian family member.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 14:   adds language indicating  the petition to                                                                    
     adoption can also be brought  in the district where the                                                                    
     petitioner resides.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON shared there were no changes to Section 15, and moved                                                                
to Sections 16 and 17, which read:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 16:  further  states that Alaska Adoption Rules                                                                    
     now indicate  that a proceed  shall be heard as  a part                                                                    
     of the  child-in-need of-aid matter or  in the judicial                                                                    
     district in  which the petitioner resides  if notice is                                                                    
     provided to the parties and no one objects.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  17:  adds clarity  that  the  court rules  now                                                                    
     include petitions  for adoption or  legal guardianship.                                                                    
     Also, details  about the findings  the court  must make                                                                    
     about whether  the petitioner is entitled  to placement                                                                    
     preferences  under  ICWA  or state  statute,  whichever                                                                    
     apply   as  well   as  the   compliance  of   placement                                                                    
     preferences in relation to a  proxy or if there is good                                                                    
     cause to deviate from those preferences.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:19:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON then directed attention to Section 18, which read:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 18:  adds  reference to new subsections related                                                                    
     applicability.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON stated that there were no changes to Section 19, and                                                                 
continued to Sections 20 and 21, which read:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 20:  clarifies  that regulations can be adopted                                                                    
     upon  the  signing  of  the  bill  but  all  the  other                                                                    
     provisions are  not effective until January  1, 2017 to                                                                    
     give time for implementation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 21:  clarifies  that regulations can be adopted                                                                    
     upon  the  signing  of  the  bill  but  all  the  other                                                                    
     provisions are  not effective until January  1, 2017 to                                                                    
     give time for implementation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:20:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  asked  whether  this  proxy  was  related                                                               
solely to the Indian children.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON  replied that the use  of a proxy was  only applicable                                                               
if the child  was qualified under ICWA, and  then family members,                                                               
both  native  and  non-native,  could  use  the  proxy  for  that                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES said  that her  problem with  the proposed                                                               
bill  was that,  as  there  were many  children  in foster  homes                                                               
wishing  to be  adopted, this  "excludes the  Filipino community,                                                               
this excludes  the Caucasian community,  this excludes  any other                                                               
minority."   She advised this  was problematic for her,  to focus                                                               
on "just the  Indian or the Native Alaskan group."   She shared a                                                               
conversation with Representative Gara,  in which he expressed the                                                               
possibility  of incorporating  an amendment  which would  include                                                               
children of all ethnicities.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:21:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LAWTON  reiterated that  the  provision  for the  proxy  was                                                               
specific  to  Alaska  Native  children  under  the  Indian  Child                                                               
Welfare Act, which is specific to  this group.  She reported that                                                               
all  other children  had placement  preferences for  adoption, as                                                               
well  as  temporary  placement  that  outlined  a  hierarchy  for                                                               
looking at family  relatives and family friends  prior to looking                                                               
at strangers.   She  expressed concern  for a  proposed amendment                                                               
because currently  there is a  zero fiscal note, and  any changes                                                               
would make it difficult to manage without additional resources.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:23:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATIE  LYBRAND,  Assistant  Attorney  General,  Child  Protection                                                               
Section, Civil Division (Juneau),  Department of Law, in response                                                               
to Representative Stutes, clarified  that the other provisions of                                                               
the  proposed bill  related to  guardianship  and adoption  being                                                               
heard as part of the  child-in-need of aid proceedings applied to                                                               
all children  coming into state  custody.  She stated  that there                                                               
were  placement  preferences,  outlined  in  state  statute,  for                                                               
children not subject to the  Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA), and                                                               
that the  proposed bill  did not change  these preferences.   She                                                               
explained  that the  adoptive  placement  preferences under  ICWA                                                               
were triggered  by a  formal petition to  adopt, as  supported by                                                               
the U.S. Supreme  Court.  She stated that the  proposed bill only                                                               
addressed this barrier, hence its focus on Indian children.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  relayed  that  she was  clear  that  this                                                               
"relates  to some  kids  in foster  home and  not  others."   She                                                               
stated that this  troubled her as there were so  many children in                                                               
foster care and the state  was proposing legislation that was not                                                               
treating everyone equally.  She  questioned the cost to give this                                                               
advantage to all children.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:25:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VAZQUEZ   directed  attention  to   the  proposed                                                               
committee substitute, Version W, page  1, line 9, and asked about                                                               
the "additional flexibility" referenced.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON explained that  this "additional flexibility" referred                                                               
to the  initial use  of a  proxy in lieu  of the  formal petition                                                               
during  the   identification  of   interest  for   temporary  and                                                               
permanent placement.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VAZQUEZ asked  if  the proxy  was  a less  formal                                                               
means of communication of the desire to adopt.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LAWTON  said  that  this was  the  current  mechanism  which                                                               
allowed individuals to identify themselves  to the courts and the                                                               
Office of Children's Services as  interested in the immediate and                                                               
permanent placement of children.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VAZQUEZ asked  if the proxy would  comply with the                                                               
U.S. Supreme Court decision.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON said that it would.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VAZQUEZ  asked for  the copy  of the  U.S. Supreme                                                               
Court decision.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VAZQUEZ  referenced page  2, line 1  - line  7, of                                                               
Version W, and asked if  a "tribal customary adoption" was within                                                               
the inherent authority of the tribe.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON  explained that there  were currently three  tribes in                                                               
Alaska  that  had  exclusive   jurisdiction  over  child  welfare                                                               
matters,   while  the   remaining  226   tribes  had   concurrent                                                               
jurisdiction  with the  State of  Alaska in  these child  welfare                                                               
matters.    This  allowed  for   assertion  of  jurisdiction  for                                                               
movement of  a case to tribal  court at any time,  with the state                                                               
no longer  involved.  She  noted that tribal  customary adoptions                                                               
could  be kept  in the  state courts  with the  tribe and  family                                                               
working  in conjunction  with the  state; however,  as the  final                                                               
adoption  was  often  implemented through  the  tribal  customary                                                               
adoption, there was  a mechanism to carry out  the adoption while                                                               
allowing  the  family  to continue  receiving  support  from  the                                                               
state.  She stated that this was more culturally appropriate.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LYBRAND,  in response to  Representative Vazquez,  added that                                                               
the main difference  was for the entire  adoption being performed                                                               
by  the  tribe, whereas  the  other  situation  was to  have  the                                                               
adoption take  place in  tribal court  although the  family would                                                               
continue to receive support and have involvement from the state.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VAZQUEZ  asked  which sections  applied  to  both                                                               
native and non-native children in custody.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LYBRAND directed  attention to  Version W  and said  that in                                                               
Section 9  only the  added AS  47.10.112 specifically  applied to                                                               
children subject  to the Indian  Children Welfare Act;  all other                                                               
parts of Section  9 applied to all children.   She said that many                                                               
of  the sections,  including Sections  2, 3,  4, 5,  6, 7,  and 8                                                               
applied to both children subject to  ICWA and those who were not.                                                               
She noted that the specific  amendment in Section 10 only applied                                                               
to  Indian  children,  as  well   as  the  amendments  clarifying                                                               
definitions for Indian children in Sections  11, 12, and 13.  She                                                               
relayed that  Section 14, 15, 16,  17, 18, 19, and  20 applied to                                                               
all children in state custody.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FOSTER  stated his  support of the  proposed bill,                                                               
and  although it  was not  all  inclusive, there  were many  good                                                               
things.  He stated his support for any efforts to include non-                                                                  
natives,  and  emphasized  that the  ICWA  provisions  were  very                                                               
important to his Alaska Native constituents.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:35:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VAZQUEZ  asked  for clarification  that,  as  the                                                               
proxy makes  it more accessible  to individuals, why it  was only                                                               
applicable to Alaska Native children.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LAWTON explained  that this  was specific  to Alaska  Native                                                               
children to  ensure that the  adoption placement  preferences and                                                               
provisions as outlined by ICWA  were recognized and considered by                                                               
the courts and the parties.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VAZQUEZ   said  she   that  she  still   did  not                                                               
understand.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. LYBRAND explained that the  intent of the proxy procedure was                                                               
to  preserve the  adoption placement  preferences  in ICWA  which                                                               
only applied to Indian children.   She reiterated that there were                                                               
existing  placement preferences  which  applied  to all  children                                                               
when  they  came into  state  custody.    She stressed  that  the                                                               
department  was  always striving  to  first  place children  with                                                               
family, and  those preferences already  existed in statute.   She                                                               
relayed that this was seeking  to address that specific issue for                                                               
Indian  children  in  light  of the  recent  U.S.  Supreme  Court                                                               
decision  that a  formal petition  was necessary  to trigger  the                                                               
adoptive placement  preferences.  The proposed  bill would reduce                                                               
that barrier by allowing for the proxy procedure.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON  clarified that  the court system  was working  on the                                                               
petition  form to  adopt,  in order  to make  it  easier for  all                                                               
petitioners and  remove the  need for an  attorney.   She pointed                                                               
out  that  in  all  the  scenarios, it  would  be  necessary  for                                                               
completion  of  the formal  petition  "at  some point  along  the                                                               
continuum."    She  reported  that,   for  people  interested  in                                                               
adopting  children  not covered  under  ICWA,  there could  be  a                                                               
formal petition  to adopt or  just a verbal request  for adoption                                                               
to initiate the  consideration for evaluation of  placement.  She                                                               
stated that  for the  ICWA adoption  placement preferences  to be                                                               
adhered  to,  the  proxy  could  be  submitted  in  lieu  of  the                                                               
petition.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked if the  proxy would eliminate some of                                                               
the time involved during the formal petition process.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON  explained that, ultimately  before an  adoption could                                                               
be finalized, an adoption petition would have to be filed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked  if, as the proxy  eliminated some of                                                               
the up-front time, why this was not applicable to all everyone.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON replied that this was a timing issue.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  asked  why   this  option  could  not  be                                                               
tailored to offer to all children.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  offered  his  understanding  that,  as  the  proxy                                                               
allowed for  the ICWA priorities to  be in place, it  was offered                                                               
to  tribal members.   The  proxy  allowed for  the preference  of                                                               
tribal members.  He mused about a  way to add another proxy for a                                                               
new set  of preferences other  than those preferences  used every                                                               
time  a child  was brought  into custody.   He  pointed out  that                                                               
there was  not a tribal  membership preference defined  for other                                                               
groups.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LAWTON  expressed  her  agreement   that  this  was  a  good                                                               
representation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  reiterated  her  interpretation  for  the                                                               
proxy.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LAWTON,  in response  to  Representative  Stutes, said  that                                                               
there may  have been some  miscommunication.  She  explained that                                                               
the proxy  was a timing issue,  it did not change  the efficiency                                                               
or speed  for the case,  but simply  provided the court  a formal                                                               
means  to  give recognition  to  the  federal law  for  placement                                                               
provisions offered  to Indian children which  were different than                                                               
all other  children for  the reasons outlined  in the  act [ICWA]                                                               
when it was created in 1978.   She noted that these reasons still                                                               
existed.   She stated that  this preserved that decision  for the                                                               
record  when  discussion arose  for  permanent  placement of  the                                                               
child.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  questioned whether the proxy  had anything                                                               
to do with timing.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LAWTON replied  that  she did  not  understand the  question                                                               
about timing.   She reiterated  that, in  order for the  court to                                                               
recognize  that there  were  placement  preferences for  children                                                               
covered by the ICWA, it was  not necessary to file a petition "to                                                               
call that out."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES said that it did not make sense to her.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:48:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR asked to clarify  that, as tribal governments                                                               
had sovereignty,  a relationship that the  federal government did                                                               
not  have  with other  ethnic  groups,  this made  the  placement                                                               
preferences unique.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON replied "yes."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  asked if,  as the  standard practice  was to                                                               
first place a child with a  family member, then all children were                                                               
being treated  in the same way  in order to respect  cultural and                                                               
ethnic  background.    She relayed  that  the  standard  practice                                                               
ensured that initial efforts were made to "match that up."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON replied that other  federal laws map out the responses                                                               
and standard practice of child welfare for any ethnicity.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR pointed out  that the tribal relationship did                                                               
not exist with other cultural groups.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LAWTON  expressed  her  agreement that  this  was  a  unique                                                               
situation, as the  significant difference with ICWA  was not race                                                               
based, but was based on a  political status as Alaska Natives had                                                               
an  inherent right  to govern  and have  jurisdiction over  their                                                               
families, a  government to government relationship.   She pointed                                                               
out that no other ethnicity benefited from such a relationship.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  asked if  she could file  a proxy  to stop                                                               
the adoption  process in order  for the courts to  recognize that                                                               
she was a relative and that she wanted custody of the child.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LAWTON replied  that,  unless the  child  was covered  under                                                               
ICWA,  she could  not file  a proxy,  but that  she could  file a                                                               
petition in  court or contact  the Office of  Children's Services                                                               
(OCS) and  state her interest.   At that point, OCS  would notify                                                               
the parties that there was  an interested relative and would work                                                               
with her to establish placement.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  interrupted Ms. Lawton and  said, "So, the                                                               
short answer is no."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON continued  and stated that OCS  would collaborate with                                                               
her, regardless.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES reiterated, "So, the short answer is no."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON stated that the proxy  would not apply if this was not                                                               
an Indian child.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES said, "Yes, the answer is no."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON replied,  "[The answer to] your  original question, if                                                               
that  would apply  to --  assuming  you weren't  talking about  a                                                               
child covered under the Indian Child Welfare Act, yes, is no."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:53:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  directed  attention   to  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute, Version W, page 1, line  9, and read:  "an individual                                                               
seeking  immediate  permanent placement  of  an  Indian child  in                                                               
state custody  with additional flexibility to  preserve and apply                                                               
the placement  preferences outlined  in the Indian  Child Welfare                                                               
Act  with   respect  to   that  individual."     He   stated  his                                                               
understanding that  an individual with one  of these preferences,                                                               
under  federal law  that was  different  than state  preferences,                                                               
including  tribal membership,  who wanted  to seek  immediate and                                                               
permanent placement would use this  to notify the court that they                                                               
wanted to apply these placement preferences as outlined in ICWA.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON replied  that the proposed bill would  provide for the                                                               
recognition of those preferences by the courts.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked whether, before a  court could act on these in                                                               
a final adoption,  it was necessary for  the standard application                                                               
to be filed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON replied that the  court would be overseeing the people                                                               
wanting  the child  for adoption,  assisting in  determination of                                                               
the  best  placement for  the  child,  and providing  its  input,                                                               
before an adoption was finalized.   She relayed that it might not                                                               
necessarily be the person who had filed the proxy.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:55:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO asked  if a proxy could be  filed on your                                                               
own behalf.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON explained  that the proxy could be filed  on behalf of                                                               
a family member or other tribal  member through the tribe, or the                                                               
parent could identify someone through the parent's council.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO  offered  that, although  the  customary                                                               
definition  of proxy  was to  take  action on  behalf of  someone                                                               
else, someone was allowed to submit a proxy on their own behalf.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON expressed her agreement.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON clarified  that it would only be  inclusive of those                                                               
outlined on  the preference  established in  ICWA, and  would not                                                               
include anyone outside this system.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LAWTON   expressed  her  agreement   and  stated   that  the                                                               
preferences  for a  relative to  an Indian  child often  included                                                               
relatives who were non-Native, and they would be included.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:57:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  reflected on why  the tool of a  proxy could                                                               
not be used in other adoption  cases.  She listed the process for                                                               
any  adoption, which  included the  immediate  search for  family                                                               
members for possible  placement early in the process.   She mused                                                               
that, by  final adoption, the  proxy was  not as important.   She                                                               
asked if this was a fair  comparison, and if it was necessary for                                                               
a proxy in these other cases.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWTON expressed  agreement that the law  mapped out specific                                                               
timeframes, such that  once a child came into  custody, there had                                                               
to have been  an exhaustive relative search,  then relatives were                                                               
noticed  for their  right to  be considered  for placement.   She                                                               
pointed out  that this was an  on-going process.  She  said that,                                                               
in all  adoption proceedings, relatives denied  for placement had                                                               
an opportunity  to have the  decision reviewed.  She  offered her                                                               
belief that  the use of a  proxy allowed for many  family members                                                               
to be notified  and the placement preferences [under  ICWA] to be                                                               
considered.    She  pointed  out  that,  although  they  may  not                                                               
dictate,  the  placement preferences  had  to  be recognized  and                                                               
considered by the court in acknowledgement of the federal law.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[HB 200 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

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